Cl!Иt Eдstwood

[[ZG] BubblesDevere]

Ok,

I have closed my eyes on this and dealt with him directly on the numerous previous occasions, however, this has now become a problem. So it is going under this topic.

bubble mower is the Post@l kill him and get 5000 pts
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : no3
bubble mower is the Post@l kill him and get 5000 pts
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : why you are in game?
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : why?
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : you are here still to stolen the points?
bubble mower is the Post@l kill him and get 5000 pts
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : yes
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : coin
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : becayse you are the boss?
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : nein
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : the chief?
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : anybody can join and kill postal
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : MAN
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : no you are thief!
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : you are a thief
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : ik
bubble mower : i should have gone spec
bubble mower : next time
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : no3
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : you cannot
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : spec is blocked in postal
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : nini
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : yes, and you will remain alone in your server, with this behaviour
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : oh here we go again
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : you think what do you wish
bubble mower : can i kill in console in postal
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : but you don't know what is it the respect
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : oh you can suicide yes
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : RESPECT
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : RESPECT
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : Cl!Иt Eдstwood : but you don't know what is it the respect ???
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : are you kidding me again
▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere is now permanently AFK
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : i know very much what is it the respect
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : you no!
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : if you are in game from the start
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : you can take everything
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : you don't come in game when make good for you
*SPEC* ▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : anyone is allowed to kill a postal
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : and then you go away
*SPEC* ▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : no rules against that
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : this is the problem, NO RULES
*SPEC* ▊[ZG] Bubbles Devere : it is however frowned upon to farm points with 2 parties agreeing
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : for you never rules
Cl!Иt Eдstwood : nice

[Boria Blyat]

I agree with him, is really bs when you join and steal points.
But his behavior wasnt friendly, but I understand him
(and his comment of you being alone was just unnecessary)

[Satan Claus]

I have to agree with Boria on this one. It would have been better to let him have that one. Yet, I see no reason to have an outburst from his side, but I think we should let it go. And try to avoid the same in the future. Having a sensei kill would encourage more play on the server.

[[ZG] BubblesDevere]

What Postal and Sensei are not designed for:
Postal and Sensei are not designed with abstinence in mind. With that behaviour, players will be making 400 000 points in a map. This is not how it works.

What Postal and Sensei are designed for:
Postal and Sensei are designed with FPS challenge and fun in mind. It gives a greater fun challenge to the Postal and to the opponents.
The Postal is circled in red etc, to make them easier to find. This helps avoiding that the Postal earns a ridiculous amount of points.
When a player has reached Sensei, their health decreases, secret doors open and so on, making it easier for everyone to kill them. (again avoiding here ridiculous point accumulation)
If we all start to "let people have the Postal" the player will stay in Postal longer and longer. This is going against how things are designed to work.
Each and everyone is absolutely welcome and encouraged to kill a Postal. It is a fun challenge for everyone. Everyone is welcome to participate. There is no discrimination, there is no wrong doing and certainly no points stealing.

If I am in spec and I see a postal happening, I am going to join the game and take the challenge, and so should anybody should they feel up to it. There are times I do not do it, that is because I am tired.
Points are for everyone - there is no such thing as "stealing points from someone else". Stolen points do not exist.

If you see a postal, rush and kill them! The points reward is there to encourage you to do so!

We all moan a little when we didn't get the postal kill and accuse others by saying you stole my points. But I was under the impression that everyone had understood that that was all for the giggle.

Imagine if someone made a scene like that because someone "stole their kill" (which by the way did happen) - does not make any sense. The same goes for points. This is a FPS game not a game of chess. Everyone is supposed to kill the opponent.

What is not allowed - Tampering with points/farming:
Tampering with points (organized farming) is a big NO NO. As you will see in our rules under Bans.
Making a Postal and Sensei on a brand new player, instead of chatting to them and not discourage them is frowned upon but not in the rules.
Although there is little we can do for other players, I do ask admins to refrain from doing so and rather introduce the new player to the server etc. instead.

Finally, I have seen complaints about spawn kills. SPAWN KILLS ARE ALLOWED !
There are NO SPAWN RULES because we never wanted spawn kill endless discussions. This has worked well for many years. Spawnkill discussions has broken many teams/servers along the years.
That is why we are given all weapons, and now 0.5 seconds of spawn protect. Enough for if there was a mine on the spawnpoint or an orb passing by at the time of spawn.
I have seen quite a few spawnkill complaints in the chat lately, by the same players. I would appreciate to not have to witness players crying about being spawnkilled.
Admins feel free to remind players that there are no spawn rules.

[tashtigo]

I generally don't see the problem of exiting the spec for hunting postal. The very phenomenon of postal gives a lot of fun, it's like a vacation in the middle of a routine. The game proceeds in its own plane, but postal happens, and everyone is activated, becomes more collected, the hunt for the poor fellow begins. It's like a fairground lottery - try your luck. On the contrary, I'm always glad when Bubble comes hunting. It's fun, all this bustle, event. Do you want to catch Postal? That's right, let's drive everyone in their holes, and issue limited rules for this fishery. Don't turn fun into a routine, I both want Bubble to come out of spec when it wants, it's more fun.
:wave

[Boria Blyat]

Killing postal is like a little reward of being "humiliated" lets say that, and I understand that is fun when is everyone hunting but it is also unfair a person that only join the game bc there is a postal and he could have their points.
I really think this behavior is insulting. Imagine that you and more 3 friends are doing a job, you are tired and a person delivers some money for your and your partners work, but then a second person that was only watching you comes and wants to divide the money so he could also get a piece, without helping with the work any second. How would you feel? Do you really think that person should receive anything? ofc not
His comment was bc he "stole" his points and bub just joined to get the points. Bub wasn't even playing before.
If bub joined to mess with clint, its ok, in that case is fun.
Clint wasnt complaining about the fun, he was complaining about the points stolen.

[Satan Claus]

I see your point Bubbles, and what you did is nothing wrong as such. But I still agree with Boria, and I can understand the annoyance from his side. He probably did a lot of damage and put some effort into killing the sensei, and had high hopes of getting it. After all, the sensei doesn`t happen that often, and for all I know it could be his first and only sensei. And suddenly you appear from nothing and takes the kill after the damage he did. So he was annoyed, even though I don`t think it`s something to rant about, he didn`t say anything that bad.

The way I see it the annoyance came from you joining from spec only to hunt the sensei. I guess if you already were playing, there wouldn`t be any issue. And that said, I guess I would have done the same as you and joined in to hunt the sensei. and while its true that the rules are the same for all, there is still a difference in skill and experience among players, so the admins do have an advantage over the newer players. So this could be what he felt was unfair.

[zen]

My take on this is postal/sensi can be hard to get and the points you get are huge. I find it especially annoying when your 1 kill away and someone joins from SPEC and prevents you getting a postal now on this topic I think it would be nice to leave the players in the map to take the player down I agree joining from spec should possibly be a rule can we cast a VOTE maybe ?

I really think Clint player is a decent guy very friendly mostly from the time I have played him usually on very late way past my bedtime

Anyway I guess its about fun and we all get heated about something.

[Satan Claus]

On this discussion I think all of you have valid points, like Tashigo I also think its nice when Bubbles join in for the fun. But it would have been even better if players joined in just before the postal. So like Zen suggests, maybe we should put something in place that prevents players from joining from spec just after the postal occurred. Because, another player changes the dynamic of the game that made the postal start in the first place.

Lastly, this is what makes Zeitgeist so great, that we can have these discussions that lead to improvements that makes the server fun for ALL. I think Clint is a nice player, and I would hope for him to keep playing on the server.

[SΛLO POWEЯ]

Everyone has moments of rage when a sense of justice is affected. Someone expresses dissatisfaction, someone rq. game contains a competitive element and we must be ready for this.